Gebanibespik:IJzeren Jan

Very thx for article about Kurów. You are great. Pietras1988 15:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Because you have worked on a lot of articles, I want to make sure you read my message about VisualEditor at Vükiped:Kafetar#VisualEditor_on_2013-09-24. Thank you for your work, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:24, 2013 setul 10id (UTC)

Talossänapük

Glidis! Mijn Volapük is zelf niet zo goed, daarom schrijf ik je maar in het Nederlands. Ik zie dat je de naam van het artikel Talossänapük hebt aangepast een paar maanden geleden. Voldoet dit woord wel aan de spellingsregels van het Volapük? Ik heb zelf het artikel op de Esperantotalige Wikipedia gemaakt over deze kunsttaal met de naam talosa lingvo, expres met maar 1 keer de letter s, omdat het vrij zeldzaam is dat een Esperantotalige wortel een dubbele medeklinker heeft, dit is in tegenstelling tot het Engels en het Nederlands. Zou Talosän geen betere landsnaam zijn? Russia > Rusän, Ossetia > Losetän. Een tijdje geleden heb ik ook een soortgelijke discussie gehad op de Catalaanstalige Wikipedia, waar gekozen is voor een dubbele medeklinker, omdat dit ook daadwerkelijk invloed heeft op de uitspraak. Robin van der Vliet (bespik) 17:45, 2018 prilul 13id (UTC)

Hoi Robin! Ja, eigenlijk heb je wel gelijk, Talosän(-apük) is inderdaad beter. Ik zal het zelf veranderen. Bedankt! IJzeren Jan (bespik) 12:09, 2018 prilul 14id (UTC)

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Amazing job!

Hey! Amazing job you did with the Volapük Wikipedia's main page. It looks very good. --Caro de Segeda (bespik) 08:57, 2022 mäzul 2id (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. Yes, I've done my best to renew it a bit after fourteen years of stagnation, while maintaining the archaic character of Volapük. Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 23:53, 2022 mäzul 2id (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bother you, I would like to ask you whether you could please translate this to Interslavic?

Vicente Costalago is a writter, philologist and occidentalist. He was born in Spain. He studied modern languages and translation and interpreting at university. His first publication was La xerca per Pahoa, the first original story published in Lingua Franca Nova. Then, he started publishing in Occidental. He published Li sercha in li castelle Dewahl, an original book; followed by Antologie hispan, a compilation of excerpts from the most important texts taken from the Spanish literature. Later, he published Fabulas, racontas e mites and Li tresor de Fluvglant, an original story in Occidental. He also published La marcia nonconoseda, the second original text in Lingua Franca Nova.

Thanks in advance. --Caro de Segeda (bespik) 20:02, 2022 mäzul 2id (UTC)

Here you go:

Vicente Costalago jest pisatelj, filolog i koristnik jezyka Occidental. Urodil se v Išpaniji. Studioval na universitetu sovrěmenne jezyky i prěvodženje. Prva jegova publikacija byla «La xerca per Pahoa», ktora jest prva originalna pověst publikovana v jezyku Lingua franca nova. Potom načel publikovati v jezyku Occidental. Publikoval originalnu knigu pod zaglavjem «Li serca in li castelle Dewahl», a potom «Antologie hispan», sbornik s fragmentami iz najvažnějših tekstov išpanskoj literatury. Pozdněje publikoval «Fabulas, racontas e mites» i «Li tresor de Fluvglant», originalna pověst v jezyku Occidental. On takože publikoval «La marcia nonconoseda», vtory originalny tekst v jezyku Lingua franca nova.

BTW, would it be possible for me to order a copy of «Li serca in li castelle Dewahl» straight from you? The problem with ordering books from the USA is that there are lots of additional costs one has to pay. Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 23:53, 2022 mäzul 2id (UTC)

Oh, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I don't have any copies as I just acquired one and then gave it to the CDELI. As far as I know, the books are all printed in Poland, not in the USA. You can see the link here. I also check Amazon.nl, just in case, which you can see here.

Do you know whether there are any books printed in Interslavic? It would be good to add them to the CDELI collection. Caro de Segeda (bespik) 07:21, 2022 mäzul 3id (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you again. Could you please translate this for the Interslavic wiki?

The early Slavs were a diverse group of tribal societies who lived during the Migration Period and the Early Middle Ages (approximately the 5th to the 10th centuries) in Central and Eastern Europe and established the foundations for the Slavic nations through the Slavic states of the High Middle Ages.

Thanks for your help. --Caro de Segeda (bespik) 11:41, 2022 mäzul 6id (UTC)

Here goes:

Davni Slovjani byli raznorodna grupa plemennyh spoločenstv, živučih v Srědnjej i Vozhodnoj Evropě vo vrěmeni Velikoj Migracije i v Rannym Srědnjevěčju (priblizno od 5-ogo do 10-ogo stolětja), ktore založili fundamenty dlja slovjanskyh narodov posrědstvom slovjanskyh držav Vysokogo Srědnjevěčja.

Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 06:59, 2022 mäzul 29id (UTC)

Thank you. Could you also please translate this?

• Battle between the Slavs and the Scythians — painting by Viktor Vasnetsov (1881).
• Slavic people
• Slavic history Caro de Segeda (bespik) 10:07, 2022 mäzul 29id (UTC)

• Bitva medžu Slovjanami i Skitami (živopis Viktora Vasnecova, 1881 g.)
• Slovjani / Slovjansky ljud (depending on context)
• Historija Slovjanov

 IJzeren Jan 12:55, 2022 mäzul 29id (UTC)

Help

Hi! Could you please help me translating these sentences to Volapük?

• Verbs in Interlingue have three endings: -ar, -er, and -ir.
• Conjugation is performed with a combination of endings and auxiliary verbs.

Thanks for your help. --Caro de Segeda (bespik) 07:55, 2022 mayul 22id (UTC)

Here goes:

• In el ,Interlingue’ värbs labons finotis kil: ⸗ar, ⸗er ed ⸗ir.
• Värbis konyugoy medü yümät finotas e yufavärbas.  IJzeren Jan 08:56, 2022 mayul 22id (UTC)

Thank you so much. Could you also help me with these?

• The verb esser (to be) is exceptional in being written es in the present tense, though the esse form is seen in the imperative.
• Interlingue has primary adverbs and derived adverbs. Primary adverbs are adverbs without special endings: tre (very), sempre (always), etc.

Thanks. --Caro de Segeda (bespik) 17:40, 2022 mayul 23id (UTC)

Well then:

• Värb ,esser’ (binön) binon pläot, bi papenon ,es’ in presenatim, do fom: ,esse’ paloegon in büdabidir.
• El ,Interlingue’ labon ladvärbis balidgredik e ladvärbis koboädik. Ladvärbs balidgredik binon ladvärbs nen finots patik: ,tre’ (vemo), ,sempre’ (ai), e r.

By the way, may I give you one piece of advice? There's no need for a special article about Jenotem ela Interlingue. Instead, it would be better to keep the history part in the Interlingue article. We have way too much very short articles here, so a few longer ones wouldn't hurt. Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 21:05, 2022 mayul 23id (UTC)

I thought the Volapük Wikipedia community did that on purpose. I have redirected it to the main article.

Could you please translate this as well? Derived adverbs are adverbs made by putting -men at the end of an adjective (rapid = quick, rapidmen = quickly). The ending may be omitted when the meaning is clear: tu deve far it rapid(men) = you must do it quick(ly). Caro de Segeda (bespik) 09:46, 2022 mayul 24id (UTC)

Ladvärbs pedefomöl binon ladvärbs pefomöl medü lenyümam poyümota ,⸗men’ len fin ladyäka (,rapid’ = vifik, ,rapidmen’ = vifiko’). Mögos, das poyümot at pamoädoy, üf sinif klülon: ,tu deve far it rapid(men)’ = mutol dunön atosi vifiko.  IJzeren Jan 11:05, 2022 mayul 24id (UTC)

As for long vs. short articles, I don't think anyone ever decided that short articles are better than long articles. What I do know is that back in 2007 Smeira created over 100,000 articles about towns by means of a bot, so that the Volapük Wikipedia suddenly ended up in the Top-10 of largest Wikipedias. That publicity stunt generated quite a lot of attention for Volapük, which is a Good Thing, but also left us with a barely manageable wiki where 90% of all articles are mere clones of each other and 90% of the rest are oneliners. Since I became admin here, I've been trying my best to find reasonably presentable articles and write a few new ones, but we don't seem to have more than, say, 300–400 articles of more than four lines of text, written by people.  IJzeren Jan 11:27, 2022 mayul 24id (UTC)

Oh, I remember that. There some good ones like filosop but yes, most of them are just towns. I am trying to get the article about Interlingue translated bit by bit, so, if you don't mind, I can add a couple of phrases every day for you to translate as I don't speak Volapük and thus there will be another long article. Caro de Segeda (bespik) 13:59, 2022 mayul 24id (UTC)

Purging and improving this Wikipedia

Hello and congratulations for the work of improvement that you bring to this wikipedia. I see that you have undertaken to remove thousands of polluting articles on localities created a long time ago by a bot, articles without any interest neither encylopaedic nor linguistic. This will only make the really interesting articles more visible, in addition to the redesign of the homepage that you have done and which is much more attractive than before. Congratulations and good luck with this work. Nevatovol (bespik) 08:12, 2022 yulul 31id (UTC)

Thank you! Indeed, that's exactly what I think, too. Sergio Meira did a great job putting Volapük on the map, but the ultimate result is that we were stuck with about 100,000 articles that are mere clones of each other. By now, the information is outdated, quite a few of them have technical or other errors, and although linguistically there is nothing wrong with them, what's the value in having thousands of articles with almost literally the same text? There are of course several other botopedias, but the objective of this project is to use and showcase Volapük, not to serve as a source of information for Volapük speakers. The only thing that could justify their continued existence is that the interwiki links might attract some visitors and spark their interest, but after fifteen years we can safely say that this has not happened. Besides, you are right, the immense number of bot-generated articles makes it virtually impossible to detect the real, human-written articles in Volapük. It's quality that should count, not quantity. It would be undoable and also undesirable to deleted all bot-generated articles, so for now I am focusing on articles about villages and very small towns (unless they have been edited, and unless they are linked to from another article). Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 22:19, 2022 yulul 31id (UTC) And compliments for your work on the Kotava wiki. It looks wonderful!

Just one small thing: "not to serve as a source of information for Volapük speakers"? Actually, that's exactly what the Volapük Wikipedia is supposed to be. (This should not be taken as a comment on anything else you said here.) - dcljr (bespik) 02:50, 2022 gustul 1id (UTC)

Wow, I'm impressed that there are people who actually read this! :) What I meant to say is that Volapük has no native speakers, let alone monolingual ones. If they need information about something, they will look for it elsewhere, not here. In the case of constructed languages, the value of a Wikipedia project is IMO mainly the language itself – its preservation and use. Same goes, in many cases at least, for classical languages, (nearly) extinct languages, revived languages, dialects and minority languages with little or no monolingual speakers. For example, a speaker of Zeelandic will probably peruse the Dutch or English edition for information, the Zeelandic edition out of interest for the language itself. On the other hand, sometimes these smaller projects may contain lots of information about local subjects that are not necessarily notable enough for the big ones. Same goes for Volapük, too: we have lots of information about the Volapük movement here that cannot be found anywhere else. Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 07:49, 2022 gustul 1id (UTC)

I see. Fair enough... - dcljr (bespik) 18:59, 2022 gustul 1id (UTC)

Hello. Thanks to your important cleaning work, this Wikipedia now seems much more in line with the encyclopaedic spirit that should prevail everywhere, as opposed to what is currently working as example in ia.wiki where a guy is striving to create skeletons for all the villages of Italy, again without any interest nor quality. Anyway, congratulations again to you. Nevatovol (bespik) 10:49, 2022 gustul 28id (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment! And yes, I can see what you mean with thouse Italian villages. Here, it was not my intention to get rid of all bot-generated articles about towns and villages, since they are part of our heritage, too. But they shouldn't be allowed to overshadow the "real" articles in Volapük. That's why, as a rule, I have left articles about towns with at least 10,000 inhabitants, or 2,000 if someone added a picture in the meantime. At present, about one half of all our articles are about towns (not all of them generated by a bot, mind). I think that's a pretty decent result. So thanks again and good luck with the Kotava edition! Cheers,  IJzeren Jan 20:31, 2022 setul 1id (UTC)